**Firstly I wish to apologise for any offence at the use of the term “Guiding death”, I know that it’s always had a mixed reception and some found it upsetting however it was the term used.** A few years ago a phrase was used colloquially to describe the young membership age cut off- “Guiding death”. It seemed to have sprung from members feeling that the change from TSS to adult was abrupt/not supported/less opportunities/the “loss” of no longer being a young member (I was a new YL when the term was at its peak, so someone who “was there” please correct me!!). Is the feeling behind the term “Guiding death” still relevant- or have things improved? What should we be providing as opportunities for adult members? Do we need to better think about transition materials for the top section? How can we prevent a similar feeling when the TSS split happens?