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Crazypencil

Beginner (10+ posts)
#1
I'm resurrecting a Girl Guide section that has been closed for about 10 year. There are no other Guides in my small town.

The Rainbows and Brownies are on one day at 6-7 and 7-8 so I'm looking at 3.15 - 5.15 on a different day.

Wondering if anyone else had an after school time?
 

browniebeth

Brownie Leader
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#2
That seems very early, especially for guides on a weekday.

Presumably you are intending on meeting at a school and treating it as a "come straight from class and change here"?

You may find that you struggle more than most to recruit volunteers for that time.

I do Brownies but all the guides I've seen either follow on after us at about 7-7:30 or start at that sort of time on a different day. I've only seen weekend units do the time you're proposing.
 
#3
I have two Guide helpers at my Rainbows which start at quarter to five and that's the earliest they can manage, their Guide meeting starts at half seven. The Rainbows themselves wouldn't be able to manage three fifteen, let alone the older girls.
 

Quack

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#4
In my part of the world the girls would be around as school ends about 2.45 (I know) ...but it assume a number of things...
- all the girls go to the same school or could get themselves to/from Guides as parents may not be about.
- In particular the younger Guides could be escorted there ( primary school afterschool clubs generally collect from school)
- Your expected other leaders / unit helpers are available. Adult volunteers come in many forms but restricting times may make it more difficult to recruit
- You have spoken to your DC as there would be a hope that the DC or nominee would be able to visit the unit to support the team and monitor the unit

That's not to say it isn't worth a try just that there may be wider considerations...
 

JJJJ1980

Brownie Leader x 3
#5
We used to run one of our brownie sessions straight after school but that was only because it fell on a couple of our leaders days off. It was popular with some of the parents but did limit it to the girls that went to that school, (we also ran a later session). When those leaders were unable to continue and numbers dropped we combined the two sessions back into one.
 

MummySquirrel

Veteran (100+ posts)
#6
That is early Crazypencil unless you are meeting at the school that most girls attend or schools finish early where you live. It is worth a try but be aware that it may restrict girls who can attend. Our unit meets 6.30 - 8pm (until 8.30 during the summer term). We have girls from 12 different schools and some don't get home from school until almost 5pm.
 

badgemad4

Veteran (100+ posts)
#7
The Guide unit I used to be a leader with met 7-8.30. If we had met earlier the girls who were in secondary school would have struggled- they either had to travel by Bus/coach from school or they finished school about 3.30-4.
 

fenris

fenris
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#8
It would be very difficult to get staff at that time of day, and unless your hall is located very close to all the schools, would also be likely to restrict your potential membership. Would the girls have time to get home and then to Guides - or would they have to carry their uniform, and any equipment they were taking to Guides, from class to class all day? Do all the girls get away sharp from school - for instance, do any have PE as last class and are still getting changed, or prefect meetings, or are any detentions run at the end of the school day? Do some travel home by school bus and would that be a problem or not?

If none of those are an issue, then no especial reason why not.
 

Burghilly

Veteran (100+ posts)
#9
Would it not make more sense to have the Rainbows meeting at 3.15pm after school - especially as they are the youngest? I think quite a few Rainbows groups run straight after school.

We meet 6.30pm till 8pm for our Guides.For some, 8pm might seem like an early finish but after tidying and locking up etc it can often be getting on for 9pm by the time I actually get home. It also means girls still have a bit of time when they get back to do any homework etc.

Maybe you should put out some feelers - try and gauge opinion of the older/oldest Brownies most like to move up to Guides soon and see what sort of time would suit them ( and their parents). You never know, straight after school might be fine, but I think if you've got girls coming from more than one school they aren't going to get there by 3.15pm.

As an aside - my Guides love doing things in the dark, especially games involving torches and generally being silly! If you met in afternoon you've never have a 'dark' meeting. While a camp fire in fine in the day it's so much nicer in the evening when you can huddle round with hot chocolate etc...
 

Crazypencil

Beginner (10+ posts)
#10
Great suggestions. Thanks. I live in a village of about 5500. There is only one primary school. The two closest towns of about the same population both have one primary school each and Guide units already. The secondary school is in one of those villages and they get the bus home which arrives at 3. The local primary school is about half a mile to the hall.

Rainbows starts at 18:00 because thats when they're leaders can start hence 6-7 rainbows and 7-8 Brownies.

It's a scout/guide hall and does have a free night at the moment but it clashes with Girls Brigade night.

I could use a different hall or the school hall. But I would really like to use the scout hut if I can. That's why I was hoping someone had tried it but it sounds like most people run 7-9, the norm.

On the darkness point. I'm in Scotland. It's pretty much always dark in winter!!!
 

Ech18

Veteran (100+ posts)
#11
I’ve run a 18:00-19:30 Guide meeting and it worked fine, I wouldn’t run earlier but we have about 5 secondary schools to deal with so transport is difficult.

From what you have said I would actually say if you have the leaders to run at that time it could be popular as there is then plenty of time for tea and homework. A few things I found difficult at an earlier time:
-leaders
-trips (you could get the girls to Guides but not any other location) I had this issue with a 18:00 meeting.

Speak to your DC for permission to ask the Brownie parents, I reckon it is worth asking the question
 

turnip

Veteran (100+ posts)
#12
My Guides is 7.15-9pm which is quite late, we often get parents of 10 year olds commenting on the lateness (and we've said they can collect at 8.30 if the prefer). But we're after Rainbows with a slight gap due to minimising impact on local residents from all the cars picking up and dropping off at the same time. Plus all three leaders work full time, so even without the Rainbows, we couldnt start much earlier anyway.

In my district even the Brownie units mostly start at 6, i think there's one that starts at 5.30, just becasue of leaders working. Plus if girls are in after school care, it's hard for them to get to Brownies.

I think 6-8 or 6.30-8.30 is probably the ideal time, but of course that depends on the hall being available, and leaders being available.
 

fenris

fenris
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#13
My Guides is 7.15-9pm which is quite late, we often get parents of 10 year olds commenting on the lateness (and we've said they can collect at 8.30 if the prefer). But we're after Rainbows with a slight gap due to minimising impact on local residents from all the cars picking up and dropping off at the same time. Plus all three leaders work full time, so even without the Rainbows, we couldnt start much earlier anyway.

In my district even the Brownie units mostly start at 6, i think there's one that starts at 5.30, just becasue of leaders working. Plus if girls are in after school care, it's hard for them to get to Brownies.

I think 6-8 or 6.30-8.30 is probably the ideal time, but of course that depends on the hall being available, and leaders being available.
Most Guide units run until 9pm, some until 9.30. Finishing as early as 8.30 is quite unusual.
 

Burghilly

Veteran (100+ posts)
#14
Then we're unusual!. Couldn't be finishing at 9.30pm and I don't think many of my 10 year old would manage either. My daughter is 10 and is still in bed by 8pm most nights - she'd be too tired for school with 9.30pm finish each week.

Perhaps our 8pm finish is a bit early for our 14 year olds but they can then go home and finish homework or just relax before bed.
 

MummySquirrel

Veteran (100+ posts)
#15
Then we're unusual!. Couldn't be finishing at 9.30pm and I don't think many of my 10 year old would manage either. My daughter is 10 and is still in bed by 8pm most nights - she'd be too tired for school with 9.30pm finish each week.

Perhaps our 8pm finish is a bit early for our 14 year olds but they can then go home and finish homework or just relax before bed.
We're unusual too, then as we meet 6.30 - 8pm, as does another of the Guide units in the District. We can't meet any later for part of year as the room is used for rehearsals immediately after us. We extend to 8.30 during summer term and are out and about for much of it.
 

Quack

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#16
I think there is a wider variation than we think. I have two units, one finishes at 8.30, the other at 9pm.

Some have to fit around other Hall users, public transport, leaders commitments etc.

It's strange how reluctant we all are to vary times that may be advantageous because we've always been at this time. ..

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